OEM vs. Aftermarket Thermostat - Coolant System Maintenance

16 Jun.,2025

 

OEM vs. Aftermarket Thermostat - Coolant System Maintenance

Folks,

Has anyone had any experience comparing OEM thermostats verses Aftermarket thermostats? Our 100 currently is running a NAPA thermostat and am getting ScanGauge coolant temps of between 198 and 202* in our current midwest heat wave. Occasionally it will hit 204-206* pulling long hills, but quickly drops back down. The system is in need of a refresh as it is running older Prestone coolant and the radiator is original. I've got an OEM thermostat unit on order, but wanted to pose the question.

As for the radiator, mine is original and in fair shape. However, I have noticed that there is a decent size area of fins that have been bent over, seemingly impeding airflow. I surmise that this damage occurred when the TB service was completed. Would it be worth the time going through and "unbending" the damaged fins.

Thoughts?

Thanks I did not take it on much of a drive. I spent about 20-30 minutes letting it idle with the cap off and the front end elevated to bleed off any air in the system. It only ever got to 188*.

About two weeks ago when I installed the Napa thermostat I did the same procedure and the temps topped out at about 197* during the bleeding process.

I’ll follow up once I’ve had a full drive cycle to see if temps have changed.

Additionally I have a new OEM radiator cap on its way. I think so! I get on my soapbox and beat the drum often in mud on this.

Proper care of coolant system is the most import PM we can do. It is right up their if not more important than lubes and filters. I'm seeing more and more blown engine due to coolant issues in our aging fleet. For the non-heavy duty wrencher, that's a ~$13K repair bill at a Toyota Dealer

I've developed a theory, that running coolant system just 1/2 inch or so low is causing premature heater tee and radiator top plastic failure. That air gap leaves plastic exposed to air, out of the coolant which has a plasticizer to keep plastic health. That the post 03 pink (Toyota SLL) aren't faring as well as systeming using Red (Toyota LL coolant) which are seeming to fairing better. This may be due to coolant itself, or more likely due to longer flush cycle of SLL which I don't advocate.

I use only Toyota products (coolant & parts) in coolant system period. I check coolant very often and recommend everyone do the same. The only exception is radiator. @LC I too follow your logic. The importance of proper cooling system maintenance should be discussed and stressed as often as needed.

I have an update on my coolant system maintenance. My wife took it to work today. Approximately 70, mostly highway miles. She observed ScanGauge coolant temperatures between 188-190*. I am satisfied.

My next step is a new OEM radiator cap and coolant flush with Toyota Red over this weekend or next, followed by a new OEM fan clutch.

My radiator appears to be an OEM original. It has not discolored and Aside from the bent fins (which I will post up pictures of later) I think the radiator I in good condition. Yes cooling system health is vital.
I used to sell bulk automotive fluids and recycling services, including engine coolant. It's all the same stuff. Manufactures uses different coloring and stickers to scare you into going to the dealer.
Toyota Red is nothing more than red coolant, it is not a magic formula that prevent's premature cooling system failure.
Any aluminum safe coolant is fine.
When doing your once a week underhood fluids check look at the overflow bottle, is it full? Perfect. No need to remove radiator cap.
The cooling system "dumps" excess coolant into the overflow bottle as the coolant expands and then sucks it back out of the overflow bottle as the system cools, so as long as that bottle is full, you're fine. If that bottle is empty, then your cooling system might be low on coolant. If that bottle is full, your cooling system will be full.
I fill mine right to the top, let the excess spill out the overflow not he bottle and then the system levels out from there.

The best thing you can do for your cooling system is to change the coolant sooner rather than later, coolant is cheap, $8/gal for the 50/50 universal at your local store.
I do a drain and fill every 2 years no matter the miles. Because coolant is cheap. Even though it's long life, I change it anyway.
With the right testing strips you can check the condition0 of your coolant and know exactly how much life it has left, you check it like you're checking the ph balance of a swimming pool. Then you change it if needed, I do not have those strips, so I just drain and fill.
Brief update...It got warm here (Dayton, OH) today and observed slight increases in coolant temperatures. Ambient was close to 90* with moderate humidity and all driving was in the city (lots of stop and go), never going over 45mph. Coolant temps ranged from 188-193* with a peak at 195* briefly at my forth red light in a row. Not to surprising given the driving and weather conditions and the fact that I believe my fan clutch is a bit on the weak side and the coolant is old.

Humidity has zero to do with engine temp.
Fan clutch has everything to do with engine temp.
Coolant lasts forever, it is the corrosion and lubrication additives that go bad. The freeze/boil part of the coolant never ever goes bad.
Coolant can be recycled and made new again.

Motor oil is the exact same way, it never goes bad, it is the additives that go bad and contamination that make motor oil changes needed. But that oil can be recycled back into brand new. I wanted to follow up as I have finished with my coolant system refresh.

This past weekend I replaced the fan clutch of a new OEM unit and drained the old coolant. Additionally, while inspecting the radiator, I noticed that a large portion of the front side of the radiator had a large area that appeared to be blocked by dirt and debris, so that was cleaned up. Over the last 4 days I have flushed the system 5 times using distilled water. Last evening I filled the system with 50/50 mix of Toyota Red and distilled water.

Previously I have replaced the heater tees and thermostat (as mention above).

For now, the system is in good shape. Coolant temperatures range between 186-193* depending on the typical variables such as ambient temps, whether or not I have the AC or heat on, and grade of the road. While pulling long hills and in stop and go traffic with the AC running the coolant temps occasionally hit 195*.

In the near future I plan to replace the radiator. I have about 20K until the timing belt needs to be done according to the service calendar.

I'll use this thread to continue to document my cooling system performance and maintenance.

10 Key Cooling System Components to Inspect When Solving Hot ...

A hot-running engine or other cooling system problem car quickly ruin a good cruise, regardless of the weather outside.

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I was a recent victim of cooling blues. I’ll share my setup, my simple mistake, and how I fixed it.

My old Nova is powered by a relatively stout 565 cubic inch Chevy big block (the bores of the block are obviously siamesed, which can complicate matters). It’s a very fresh combination, and I took extra time to work out what I thought was a really good cooling strategy (keep scrolling to hear all about it). I figured I was good to go.

To my dismay, on a recent drive into town, the temperature started to skyrocket once I left the highway and entered stop-and-go driving. Basically, as soon as I left the highway (and higher vehicle speeds), the temperature started to run away.

It was incredibly frustrating.

Once home, the fix turned out to be incredibly easy. You see, the car is equipped with a quality DeWitts aluminum radiator (coated black). I really dig the stock appearing look, so I removed the radiator cap included with the DeWitts radiator and replaced it with what I thought was a pretty “cool” stock appearing AC RC-15 cap (15 pound pressure).

Even though it was a no-name swap meet find, I never gave that cap a second look until the car started acting up. In the diagnostic process—with the temperature reasonably hot—I placed a towel over the reproduction cap and carefully cracked it open.

Nothing. No steam. No coolant spray. Nothing.

Oops.

I completely removed the cap and for the first time actually examined it closely. As it turns out, there’s zero evidence of it ever seating on the rad neck. That meant the radiator was never pressurized. Typically, each pound of pressure in the system will raise the boiling point by three degrees. So, in theory, the boiling point should be 257 degrees. Mine clearly didn’t work that way!

The solution for me was to simply re-install the DeWitts radiator cap. To test it, I ran the car outside in 90+ degree ambient temperatures, and well-protected from any wind (basically with the nose of the car up against a closed garage door). I let it idle and watched the temp gauge. This simulates what could very well be the worst possible conditions.

You could see the cooling system cycle through the thermostat opening and closing points. It slowly crept up to 195 and then dropped back to 180 and started the process all over again. Keep in mind the thermostat determines the low end of the temperature operating range. The high end of the operating range is dependent upon the cooling capacity of the radiator and fan. In my case, the radiator wasn’t overly hot. No coolant was spewing out of the overflow.

Everything was very much normal. It really turned out to be my Eureka moment!

How an Engine’s Cooling System Works

Before we go any further, let’s take a minute and examine how a typical cooling system works.

Coolant follows a path that really starts at the water pump. The impeller in the water pump draws coolant from the bottom of the radiator (by way of the lower rad hose) and forces it into the cylinder block. As coolant flows through the water jackets, heat is absorbed from the engine before it encounters the thermostat. The thermostat is simply a valve that measures the temperature of the coolant and at a pre-set temperature, opens, allowing hot coolant to enter the radiator.

Once released by the thermostat, hot coolant travels through the upper rad hose into the radiator. The coolant then passes through thin tubes in the radiator where it’s cooled by air flowing over the outside of the tubes. Airflow through the radiator is provided by the car’s velocity along with the cooling fan(s). As the temperature of the coolant increases, so does the pressure within the cooling system.

This pressure is regulated by the radiator cap. Increasing the cooling system pressure raises the boiling point of the coolant. As mentioned above, each pound of increased pressure raises the boiling point by three degrees F. Should the pressure build up higher than the pre-set number for the cap, a spring-loaded valve in the cap is designed to release the pressure.

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In my case—even with a potentially troublesome hot-headed big block—there’s no real fancy hardware in the cooling combination. As mentioned above I rely upon a quality aluminum radiator (complete with the correct cap!), mounted in an OEM-style big block radiator support, an OEM-style radiator shroud, a stock five blade OEM-style fan (without a clutch, as big block Novas have no room for one), an Edelbrock water pump without a bypass, OEM pulleys, OEM-style hoses and an EMP/Stewart high flow thermostat in a stock housing. The automatic transmission is cooled by a separate Earl’s cooler. I use straight water laced with Water Wetter.

As you can see, the strategy was to rely upon simple, proven parts. Here’s how the key components break down:

10 Key Engine Cooling System Components to Inspect

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1. Water Pump

A quality water pump such as the Edelbrock I use is really the heart of the cooling system. Internally, all water pumps incorporate an impeller (with fan-like blades) that spins. This creates centrifugal force, drawing coolant from the rad and moving that coolant into the cylinder block. A critical feature found in high performance pumps is the design of the impeller.

For example, my Edelbrock pump has a large cast iron impeller configuration that is totally CNC machined. Unlike stamped steel pieces, the iron impeller is considerably stronger (and more accurate). Compared to some other pumps, the impeller design found in the Edelbrock pump flows as much as 20 percent more coolant at a much higher pressure. At high RPM, this produces less cavitation that in turn, allows for more equal coolant flow throughout the engine. Additionally, the Edelbrock pump has superior flow balance when compared to a stock pump. This means it will reduce bank-to-bank temperature variances. Increased coolant flow, equal pressure and superior side to side balance means the pump doesn’t need to be turned as quickly in order to achieve the same flow (when compared to say, a factory HD pump).

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2. Water Pump Bypass

Engines with thermostats typically need some type of bypass arrangement between the water pump and the engine. The idea here is to provide for quick warm up and to prevent pump cavitation. This also tends to minimize steam pocket build-up and, with that, localized water jacket hot spots.

On something like a small block Chevy, the pump bypass is internal. But on a big block, a hose links the top of the water pump to the intake manifold. Many intake manifolds for big blocks do not have the bypass hole drilled and tapped (although some come with an un-machined boss). It is possible to drill and tap the boss and install a bypass hose. But there are a couple of solutions: For a race application, a water restrictor can be used in place of the thermostat. Basically, the restrictor slows down the coolant flow. This is the reason most race-style intake manifolds are not machined for the bypass.

The other solution is to use a thermostat with holes drilled in the flange area. For example, the high flow EMP/Stewart thermostat I use has three 3/16 inch bypass holes machined in it. These three holes work just as efficiently (if not more so) as a bypass hose.

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3. Radiator Support

What does the rad support have to do with this? Simple. Many cars have radiator supports dedicated to the type and size of the radiator used. For example, my Nova was originally a six-cylinder car. The rad support for a six (and a small block) is built with a smaller opening than a comparable big block car. It also positions the radiator differently. If you attempt to squeeze a big block rad in place, it will be partially blocked by the support and obviously, positioned in the wrong spot. Sure you can hack up a rad support to work but it’s just a whole lot easier to use the right support for the radiator.

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4. Radiator

I’m a big fan of modern aluminum radiator construction. Yes, copper is a good material for radiators. It has better heat dissipating properties than aluminum. But according to DeWitts, there are a couple of caveats.

For example, the primary source of cooling in any radiator is the tubes. Heat dissipates from the coolant through the tube walls. This heat is then transferred to the fins that are in contact with the tubes. In turn, this provides a secondary source of cooling. As air passes through the fins, the heat is carried away. Radiator manufacturers know that wider tubes are more efficient because there is more tube-to-fin contact (in a typical modern aluminum radiator, the tube-to-fin contact surface area is increased by 20 percent over an identically sized copper/brass unit—part of this is due to the fact the fins are both wider and closer together with a shorter fin height than a copper radiator). That improved tube-to-fin contact is what removes heat.

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But that’s not the end of it. DeWitts tells us that while copper has better thermal conductive properties than aluminum, older copper radiators are made up of four different materials, not just copper. The copper tubes are bonded to the fin with solder (lead) and that has very (Very) poor heat transfer properties. The tanks are made of brass and the side channels are steel.

According to DeWitts: A double row core with one inch tubes is equal to a four row copper unit and almost double the heat rejection of a single row aluminum unit. So, in most cases larger tubes are not necessary (although it is possible, and some manufacturers offer it).

Increasing tube size isn’t always possible with a copper-brass design, because of tube wall thickness limitations. Today’s radiator technology (which typically uses wider tubes inside aluminum rads coupled with multi-louvered fins) has allowed the aluminum radiator to cool efficiently. Just as important, aluminum rads are now as strong, if not stronger than their older copper-brass relatives.

Sure you can build a copper radiator the exact same way high tech aluminum models are constructed. And yes, and it might even work a bit better than the aluminum. The downside is, it would also weigh about 90 pounds! .

The truth is, today, an aluminum radiator in your high performance street car or racecar will simply cool better. Tests from various sources document a 28 percent increase in performance over a brass-copper equivalent, provided both radiators are identical in size. In the end, high-quality aluminum radiator construction can lower engine temperature by as much as 30 degrees.

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5. Fan Shroud

A well designed, properly functioning fan shroud is critical. Properly functioning is the key. I use a reproduction OEM style fan shroud on my car. It’s a tight-fitting example that seals and covers the entire face of the radiator.

The top and the bottom of the shroud are both tightly secured as well. This means the shroud stays in place at all times. There is no easy escape of air from the top, bottom, or sides.

The key here is that all air forced through the radiator from vehicle velocity along with all air drawn through the rad by the fan must pass through the radiator core.

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6. Fan

I’m not using a fancy fan either. The mechanical fan for my car is a simple five blade affair that is identical to the fan Chevrolet used on 396 Novas. An interesting point for some is that big block Novas did not incorporate a fan clutch or a fan spacer. Why not? Simple. There is no room between the water pump and the radiator for those items. On the other hand, the fan is positioned relatively tight to the shroud and approximately half of the blade is inside the shroud.

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7. Pulleys & Hoses

In my case, I use a stock 396-375 HP crank pulley, a stock 396-375 HP water pump pulley, and a stock 396-375 HP alternator pulley (slightly larger than stock). The pulleys are driven by way of a very conventional Dayco v-belt. I simply made certain the pulleys were aligned, and the belt was the correct width and depth (there are some differences out there). Obviously, keeping the belt(s) properly tightened is important too.

As far as hoses are concerned, I use replacement OEM style hoses, again for a stock 396 Nova. These are formed hoses with an internal wire reinforcement in the bottom hose. Corrugated “fits-all” hoses are something to avoid, as they tend to reduce coolant flow.

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8. Transmission Cooler

The type and location of the transmission cooler plays a pretty big role in engine coolant temperatures. Automatic transmissions can operate at rather high temperatures, especially if they’re not cooled properly. Keep in mind a small diameter converter will tend to increase transmission fluid temps.

According to ATI:

“In stock applications, a transmission operating at 150 to 175 degrees F, offering a service life of 100,000 miles, has its range cut in half when the temperature increases to 200 degrees. At 295 degrees, service life falls to only 1,500 miles! In specific terms, varnishes form at 240 degrees, seals and sealing rings begin to harden at 260 degrees, and friction plate slippage is unavoidable by 295 degrees. At 350 degrees, all seals and clutches totally burn out and conventional fluid solidifies to form carbon.”

The point here is, a conventional radiator with a built-in transmission cooler doesn’t have adequate capability to cool the transmission fluid in high performance application. In fact, engine coolant temps can increase because of a heavily taxed built-in cooler.

So what’s the solution? Simple. In my case I use a big standalone Earl’s Performance fluid cooler. It’s mounted ahead of the rad (with a gap between the rad and the cooler). Air is obviously forced through it, but it doesn’t have much of an effect upon the capability of the engine radiator. There are a number of other fluid coolers at SummitRacing.com, including coolers with their own dedicated fans.

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9. Coolant

Antifreeze or engine coolant helps to increase the boiling point (when compared to plain water). It also lubricates the water pump and tends to prevent rust and sediment build up. Fair enough, but you can’t use antifreeze if you frequent a drag strip regularly. The reason of course is, it’s a royal pain to clean up if your car leaks. It’s also an even bigger pain if your engine springs an internal gasket leak.

There are plenty of alternatives (various additives that function with tap water), but something like Red Line Oil’s “Water Wetter” work rather well. According to Red Line Oil, water alone has great cooling capability, but it also has very high surface tension. This makes it difficult to release water vapor from the metal surfaces.

Enter additives such as Water Wetter. These additives lower the surface tension of the coolant. This allows for better heat transfer between the engine’s water jackets to the coolant. They also provide for internal corrosion inhibition and provide lubrication for things like the water pump. I use it and it definitely seems to work.

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10. Ignition Timing

I run my big block with anywhere between 12 and 15 degrees of initial timing. Less initial usually makes them run warm. Something else I do (and some might scoff at this) is to run the engine with an operational vacuum advance system. It does not hurt performance—and it can help to keep the engine temperature under control.

Keep in mind as you whack the throttle, manifold vacuum advance goes away. Vacuum advance only functions during periods of high manifold vacuum and you control it with an adjustable vacuum advance canister. The distributor isn’t getting any extra advance at large throttle inputs.

Bottom line here is, without the vacuum advance hooked up, the engine tends to run hotter.

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And there it is. That’s my not-so-trick cooling system. It works to cool a pretty healthy siamesed bore 565ci big block inside what amounts to a tight engine compartment at ambient temperatures exceeding 90 degrees F.

I hope there’s something here that you can apply to your own hot ride.

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